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		<title>Comment on Marine parks: KIMAG is not representative of the original LAG &#8211; Council should rescind its support &#8212; McDonald, Scott, 2012.05.07 by Paul Davies</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=659#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 05:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Scott MacDonald&#039;s comment above, I refer you to my letter published in The Islander yesterday.  The issue is the LAG came out with recommendations done on majority votes for each Sanctuary Zone.  These were the democratic recommendations of the community so hence our request for the Council to support them.  My letter is below:

In response to Neill Bell’s letter ‘Issue with Parks’ (The Islander, 26/4/12), I would like to make the following points on behalf of KIMAG.

The LAG process was a community-based process in which all views were taken into account.  On this basis the LAG members made recommendations for the location of each sanctuary zone.  Each recommendation was made with a significant majority.  This was the most democratic way for all views in the community to be expressed.

While KIMAG is made up of representatives mostly from the four KI action groups representing the interests of recreational fishermen, it also has members representing commercial fishermen and the KI Council.  At the last Council meeting, KIMAG asked the Council to give their support to KIMAG’s proposal of making sure the LAG recommendations are adopted by the state Labor Government.  

Notice of this proposal to the Council was made public at least a week before the Council meeting so plenty of time was given to those wanting to oppose the proposal.  At the meeting alternative opinions could have been offered to the Council by any person but none were offered by anyone let alone Eco-Action KI.  The Council unanimously agreed to the KIMAG proposal.

Neill Bell’s argument seems determinedly one-sided.  While Eco-Action KI and other groups were listened to in the LAG process, the majority democratic view disagreed with them.  Having not got his way, Neill now wants to make use the government’s distorted process whereby ‘environmental’ groups get another separate chance to lobby the Government with their own views.  This can only be viewed as profoundly undemocratic.

Finally I need to make the point the KIMAG and its supporters want to protect the environment.  We want clean, pristine seas and we support Marine Parks.  What we disagree with Eco-Action Ki about is the means of maintaining this by using Sanctuary zones.  Perhaps if Eco-Action talked to us we might just come to an agreed community view.

Paul Davies
On behalf of Kangaroo Island Marine Action Group (KIMAG)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Scott MacDonald&#8217;s comment above, I refer you to my letter published in The Islander yesterday.  The issue is the LAG came out with recommendations done on majority votes for each Sanctuary Zone.  These were the democratic recommendations of the community so hence our request for the Council to support them.  My letter is below:</p>
<p>In response to Neill Bell’s letter ‘Issue with Parks’ (The Islander, 26/4/12), I would like to make the following points on behalf of KIMAG.</p>
<p>The LAG process was a community-based process in which all views were taken into account.  On this basis the LAG members made recommendations for the location of each sanctuary zone.  Each recommendation was made with a significant majority.  This was the most democratic way for all views in the community to be expressed.</p>
<p>While KIMAG is made up of representatives mostly from the four KI action groups representing the interests of recreational fishermen, it also has members representing commercial fishermen and the KI Council.  At the last Council meeting, KIMAG asked the Council to give their support to KIMAG’s proposal of making sure the LAG recommendations are adopted by the state Labor Government.  </p>
<p>Notice of this proposal to the Council was made public at least a week before the Council meeting so plenty of time was given to those wanting to oppose the proposal.  At the meeting alternative opinions could have been offered to the Council by any person but none were offered by anyone let alone Eco-Action KI.  The Council unanimously agreed to the KIMAG proposal.</p>
<p>Neill Bell’s argument seems determinedly one-sided.  While Eco-Action KI and other groups were listened to in the LAG process, the majority democratic view disagreed with them.  Having not got his way, Neill now wants to make use the government’s distorted process whereby ‘environmental’ groups get another separate chance to lobby the Government with their own views.  This can only be viewed as profoundly undemocratic.</p>
<p>Finally I need to make the point the KIMAG and its supporters want to protect the environment.  We want clean, pristine seas and we support Marine Parks.  What we disagree with Eco-Action Ki about is the means of maintaining this by using Sanctuary zones.  Perhaps if Eco-Action talked to us we might just come to an agreed community view.</p>
<p>Paul Davies<br />
On behalf of Kangaroo Island Marine Action Group (KIMAG)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Marine parks: KIMAG is not representative of the original LAG &#8211; Council should rescind its support &#8212; McDonald, Scott, 2012.05.07 by Andy Gilfillan</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=659#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Gilfillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 01:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott
As the Chair of KIMAG I welcome the debate on matters Marine as we formulate future direction, I am pleased that council did not agree to rescind the previous motion put up by you as we can now move forward with the  support of KI council and the KI community, we seek input from people like your self and eco-action as we believe the  marine environment needs significant protection from the threats that exist and you may have some constructive ideas.
  On  personal level I am anxious to ensure oil and gas exploration as a threat is eliminated completely from the KI coastline , I would also like to see the Marine parks extended to include all of KI&#039;s waters and that habitat protection zones are placed in 80% of the extended marine park- these will be areas of debate for us. 
  You appear a little confused on some issues Scott,The LAG has produced an out come which is being used by the MInister in his deliberations on zoning. the voting was an agreed method between DENR and LAG of eliminating zones that were suggested anonymously by one or two people not the KI community.
  You are suggesting that: 

&quot;It is significant that the Motion, which Councillors were not given time to research or even digest, was prepared well in advance of Mr Gilfillan’s deputation, suggesting the possibility of collusion in order to pre-empt a result.&quot;
  
You may want to explain what you mean here as I can not see where collusion could have been interpreted.
Finally can I assure you I have no vested interest in this, I have no political connections and am very keen that the community fully understand what the implications are for future marine conservation.
 
Andy Gilfillan
Chair KIMAG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott<br />
As the Chair of KIMAG I welcome the debate on matters Marine as we formulate future direction, I am pleased that council did not agree to rescind the previous motion put up by you as we can now move forward with the  support of KI council and the KI community, we seek input from people like your self and eco-action as we believe the  marine environment needs significant protection from the threats that exist and you may have some constructive ideas.<br />
  On  personal level I am anxious to ensure oil and gas exploration as a threat is eliminated completely from the KI coastline , I would also like to see the Marine parks extended to include all of KI&#8217;s waters and that habitat protection zones are placed in 80% of the extended marine park- these will be areas of debate for us.<br />
  You appear a little confused on some issues Scott,The LAG has produced an out come which is being used by the MInister in his deliberations on zoning. the voting was an agreed method between DENR and LAG of eliminating zones that were suggested anonymously by one or two people not the KI community.<br />
  You are suggesting that: </p>
<p>&#8220;It is significant that the Motion, which Councillors were not given time to research or even digest, was prepared well in advance of Mr Gilfillan’s deputation, suggesting the possibility of collusion in order to pre-empt a result.&#8221;</p>
<p>You may want to explain what you mean here as I can not see where collusion could have been interpreted.<br />
Finally can I assure you I have no vested interest in this, I have no political connections and am very keen that the community fully understand what the implications are for future marine conservation.</p>
<p>Andy Gilfillan<br />
Chair KIMAG</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kangaroo Island threatened by oil drills &#8211; a call to act by the Prideaux couple by Meryn</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=639#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 07:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all the more reason to be aware of and actively campaign against the proposed watering down of Commonwealth legislation that insists on a process of approvals for proposed industry that has an environmental impact.  Without a requirement for approvals there would be no hope of bringing to light the potential devastation of KI&#039;s nature based tourism economy to the awareness of those making economics based decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all the more reason to be aware of and actively campaign against the proposed watering down of Commonwealth legislation that insists on a process of approvals for proposed industry that has an environmental impact.  Without a requirement for approvals there would be no hope of bringing to light the potential devastation of KI&#8217;s nature based tourism economy to the awareness of those making economics based decisions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kangaroo Island threatened by oil drills &#8211; a call to act by the Prideaux couple by Tammy-Jo Sutton</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=639#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>Tammy-Jo Sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 05:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great overview. 
Please keep me posted with any developments and we will help where we can. It is an area we are watching closely at them. 
Kind regards
TJ 
Community Outreach Coordinator 
The Wilderness Society (South Australia) Inc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great overview.<br />
Please keep me posted with any developments and we will help where we can. It is an area we are watching closely at them.<br />
Kind regards<br />
TJ<br />
Community Outreach Coordinator<br />
The Wilderness Society (South Australia) Inc</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cr Liu notices a glitch in a decision Council made 2012.03.14 by Peter A. Bassett</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=635#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter A. Bassett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 12:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to apologise Mr Cowans.....to enlighten you I have carefully re read my comments and consider them precise and correct....just as I assume your last two submissions published in this public forum.....would appear to imply you do indeed disagree with my views on the referred subjects and matters.
And may I add at this opportunity.....onya Rosalie and Graham-your due diligence and steadfast efforts are admired by the silent majority!
Roll on next Council elections.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to apologise Mr Cowans&#8230;..to enlighten you I have carefully re read my comments and consider them precise and correct&#8230;.just as I assume your last two submissions published in this public forum&#8230;..would appear to imply you do indeed disagree with my views on the referred subjects and matters.<br />
And may I add at this opportunity&#8230;..onya Rosalie and Graham-your due diligence and steadfast efforts are admired by the silent majority!<br />
Roll on next Council elections&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kangaroo Island threatened by oil drills &#8211; a call to act by the Prideaux couple by Zephatali Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=639#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Zephatali Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 01:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing. Drilling/mining is wonderful for the economy yet until we use that economy for getting rid of combustion engines and petroleum based plastics, we as a species continue to shoot ourselves in the foot. No risk to KI is acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing. Drilling/mining is wonderful for the economy yet until we use that economy for getting rid of combustion engines and petroleum based plastics, we as a species continue to shoot ourselves in the foot. No risk to KI is acceptable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cr Liu notices a glitch in a decision Council made 2012.03.14 by David Cowans</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=635#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>David Cowans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Peter, I dont recall ever expressing &quot;denigration of reality and waste of public funds is disgusting… as is your continued promotion of unrealistic, financially unviable and unsustainable Island infrastucture&quot;.

Perhaps you could enlighten me?

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Peter, I dont recall ever expressing &#8220;denigration of reality and waste of public funds is disgusting… as is your continued promotion of unrealistic, financially unviable and unsustainable Island infrastucture&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps you could enlighten me?</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kangaroo Island threatened by oil drills &#8211; a call to act by the Prideaux couple by Geoff and Margi Prideaux</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=639#comment-355</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff and Margi Prideaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you KIpolis for sending this information to Island residents. 

This note is just to confirm that the issue is still very much &#039;alive&#039;. &lt;em&gt;Bight Petroleum Corporation&lt;/em&gt; has not submitted their referral yet - we don&#039;t know why. Perhaps the extra conditions attached to their permit are too difficult for them to meet. Perhaps they are waiting for the results of the BP surveys further west (in the middle of the Great Australian Bight). Perhaps they are waiting for us all to forget they are there ...  Right now we can only guess.

What is important is for Minister Burke to continue to hear from the Island - that we think the risk is too high, and we want more than political assurances. We want the progress to be right and transparent. We want our say. 

So, we urge everyone to keep the letters to the Minister flowing, and to contact us if you wish to have further information about what is happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you KIpolis for sending this information to Island residents. </p>
<p>This note is just to confirm that the issue is still very much &#8216;alive&#8217;. <em>Bight Petroleum Corporation</em> has not submitted their referral yet &#8211; we don&#8217;t know why. Perhaps the extra conditions attached to their permit are too difficult for them to meet. Perhaps they are waiting for the results of the BP surveys further west (in the middle of the Great Australian Bight). Perhaps they are waiting for us all to forget they are there &#8230;  Right now we can only guess.</p>
<p>What is important is for Minister Burke to continue to hear from the Island &#8211; that we think the risk is too high, and we want more than political assurances. We want the progress to be right and transparent. We want our say. </p>
<p>So, we urge everyone to keep the letters to the Minister flowing, and to contact us if you wish to have further information about what is happening.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cr Liu notices a glitch in a decision Council made 2012.03.14 by Zephatali Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=635#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>Zephatali Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irrelevant of the &#039;dodgy&#039; procedure, I suggest if the Mayor, Deputy Mayor &amp; CEO wish to attend this conference they do so by paying for the trip themselves. No doubt they plan on attending this bag giving, brown nose event in style. Boardman&#039;s reason that KIC &quot;...needs to maintain as high a profile as possible within both Local Government and Federal Government.&quot; is very flimsy. I really don&#039;t understand how a council under as much financial pressure as KIC can afford to have three delegates attend an event that has no real purpose other than for three of it&#039;s members to support their own feelings of self importance. On&#039;ya for bringing this up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrelevant of the &#8216;dodgy&#8217; procedure, I suggest if the Mayor, Deputy Mayor &amp; CEO wish to attend this conference they do so by paying for the trip themselves. No doubt they plan on attending this bag giving, brown nose event in style. Boardman&#8217;s reason that KIC &#8220;&#8230;needs to maintain as high a profile as possible within both Local Government and Federal Government.&#8221; is very flimsy. I really don&#8217;t understand how a council under as much financial pressure as KIC can afford to have three delegates attend an event that has no real purpose other than for three of it&#8217;s members to support their own feelings of self importance. On&#8217;ya for bringing this up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cr Liu notices a glitch in a decision Council made 2012.03.14 by Cr Rosalie Chirgwin</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=635#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator>Cr Rosalie Chirgwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,
Do you think then that certain elements of council in the majority may dispense with proper process when it suits their agenda, yet come down like a ton of bricks on a minority member of council for some perceived minor irregularities ?
Meeting Regulations are to keep proceedings in order and to prevent perversions of justice. 
As council decisions are legally binding it is important to stick to the rules. 
Or put another way, would you pay for an inaccurately/improperly served traffic infringement expiation ?  Most people would be happy to refuse on account of technical irregularities.
How much more then should the expenditure of ratepayers money fall under due process ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,<br />
Do you think then that certain elements of council in the majority may dispense with proper process when it suits their agenda, yet come down like a ton of bricks on a minority member of council for some perceived minor irregularities ?<br />
Meeting Regulations are to keep proceedings in order and to prevent perversions of justice.<br />
As council decisions are legally binding it is important to stick to the rules.<br />
Or put another way, would you pay for an inaccurately/improperly served traffic infringement expiation ?  Most people would be happy to refuse on account of technical irregularities.<br />
How much more then should the expenditure of ratepayers money fall under due process ?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cr Liu notices a glitch in a decision Council made 2012.03.14 by graham walkom</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=635#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>graham walkom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 02:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Craig,
I am sure there would be a significant number of islanders who would like to hear some specifics about your &#039;(...) positive action about the future of the Island&#039;: your obscure comments here are meaningless. Perhaps you could start with the financially successful initiatives you achieved in your term in the last council, because from where I sit on this council the finances that were hand-balled to this council were and admittedly still are a basket case.
PB is absolutely right with his comment that there is no free lunch - somebody pays.
And as you also know, each additional tourist that arrives on this island is subsidized by council. How would you suggest that the free lunch tourist operators on this island should pay their share of these costs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Craig,<br />
I am sure there would be a significant number of islanders who would like to hear some specifics about your &#8216;(&#8230;) positive action about the future of the Island&#8217;: your obscure comments here are meaningless. Perhaps you could start with the financially successful initiatives you achieved in your term in the last council, because from where I sit on this council the finances that were hand-balled to this council were and admittedly still are a basket case.<br />
PB is absolutely right with his comment that there is no free lunch &#8211; somebody pays.<br />
And as you also know, each additional tourist that arrives on this island is subsidized by council. How would you suggest that the free lunch tourist operators on this island should pay their share of these costs?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cr Liu notices a glitch in a decision Council made 2012.03.14 by Peter A. Bassett</title>
		<link>http://www.buddhayatana.org/blog_KIpolis/?p=635#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter A. Bassett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 00:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a successfully self-funded, independent, retired builder/property developer /motel operator and fiscal realist... (but - only a property owner/ratepayer on this Island since 1987)... I am utterly disgusted with the dysfunctional and non feasible manner in which we here are fiscally governed and managed... I applaud the attempts by the persecuted Councillors who may not be perfect in every administrative procedure... but are definitely perfectly correct in financial aims - and thus the Island&#039;s fiscal future...

As I see it Mssrs Cowans, Renfrey, Black, Bates, Denholm and Clements etc... your continued denigration of reality and waste of public funds is disgusting... as is your continued promotion of unrealistic, financially unviable and unsustainable Island infrastucture.

There is no such thing as a free lunch - and never will be!

I also suggest you check your ability to afford any unjust criticism you may aim at me for my above mentioned comments - and disregard any grammatical errors which my retarded wobbly typing finger may have committed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a successfully self-funded, independent, retired builder/property developer /motel operator and fiscal realist&#8230; (but &#8211; only a property owner/ratepayer on this Island since 1987)&#8230; I am utterly disgusted with the dysfunctional and non feasible manner in which we here are fiscally governed and managed&#8230; I applaud the attempts by the persecuted Councillors who may not be perfect in every administrative procedure&#8230; but are definitely perfectly correct in financial aims &#8211; and thus the Island&#8217;s fiscal future&#8230;</p>
<p>As I see it Mssrs Cowans, Renfrey, Black, Bates, Denholm and Clements etc&#8230; your continued denigration of reality and waste of public funds is disgusting&#8230; as is your continued promotion of unrealistic, financially unviable and unsustainable Island infrastucture.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as a free lunch &#8211; and never will be!</p>
<p>I also suggest you check your ability to afford any unjust criticism you may aim at me for my above mentioned comments &#8211; and disregard any grammatical errors which my retarded wobbly typing finger may have committed!</p>
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